[NASAFACS] Family and Consumer Sciences

Marilyn msinnovate at aol.com
Wed Mar 7 10:29:22 MST 2012


I have been following this thread of conversation with great interest.  There have been some excellent ideas and comments made.

Peggy and Gay Nell, as usual, have made some excellent points and I think Laura has summarized it very well. (see yellow highlights below)

Laura's points:  I liked the idea of FACS being noted as covering a wide range of
> areas....but as I have thought more about it - I think there is
> safety and security in having a hold in numerous clusters.  I do feel
> like we need the FACS name recognition somewhere and somehow though -
> as that is a major reason we are losing some programs - because all
> do not understand the clusters and realize FACS is spread around them
> - they are just looking for the name recognition.
>
>
>
> We definitely do need a consensus on the approach - as it is very
> important that we are a unified group - and do not come across as a
> bunch of bumbling women.  We are obviously not going to make everyone
> happy - as our states are so diversified - so please share your input
> and thoughts - and I will compile the data.  Once we have heard from
> you - I will  share back so we can have some discussions on the best
> approach.
>


What stands out for me:
Awareness of FCS:  Having a link to various areas versus just one is justified but the FCS name needs to be shown somehow, not just imbedded.  How?  FCS must be in that conversation with the "powers" that decide all this.

For example, many of us have seen FCS concepts merged into health and social studies and then totally taken over by, or linked to, that area with no mention (or even elimination) of FCS.

Also, consensus it extremely important.  If we are divided on this issue, the perception of others will be that we don't know what we are doing.  Just as we have come together on a brand for FCS, we need to be united on this one.  And recalling my experience in National Standards work, it won't necessarily be easy or please everyone.

My best wishes to you as you have these important discussions at your upcoming NASAFACS meeting.
 


Marilyn Swierk
AAFCS President, 2009-10
msinnovate at aol.com




-----Original Message-----
From: (Terri) Teresa Hollarn <tholl at okcareertech.org>
To: Laura Ergle <LErgle at doe.k12.ga.us>
Cc: nasafacs <nasafacs at lists.uen.org>
Sent: Wed, Mar 7, 2012 9:02 am
Subject: Re: [NASAFACS] Family and Consumer Sciences


In Oklahoma we have courses and career majors in Arts and A/V, Human Services, Education and Training, and Hospitality and Tourism clusters.

Is anyone from this group attending the National Career Clusters Meeting in DC, June 18-20?

Terri


----- Message from LErgle at doe.k12.ga.us ---------
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 01:01:52 +0000
From: Laura Ergle <LErgle at doe.k12.ga.us>
Subject: Re: [NASAFACS] Family and Consumer Sciences
To: Peggy Wild <pwild at doe.in.gov>, "nasafacs at lists.uen.org" <nasafacs at lists.uen.org>


> Hi Peggy,
>
> Thanks for forwarding to the correct listserve!!
>
>
>
> Yes, I agree, as I mentioned, we need to have an agenda - and that is
> why we need to have input from all states.
>
> Currently in GA - FACS is in 3 clusters - Hospitality, Education &
> Human Services.
>
>
>
> I liked the idea of FACS being noted as covering a wide range of
> areas....but as I have thought more about it - I think there is
> safety and security in having a hold in numerous clusters.  I do feel
> like we need the FACS name recognition somewhere and somehow though -
> as that is a major reason we are losing some programs - because all
> do not understand the clusters and realize FACS is spread around them
> - they are just looking for the name recognition.
>
>
>
> We definitely do need a consensus on the approach - as it is very
> important that we are a unified group - and do not come across as a
> bunch of bumbling women.  We are obviously not going to make everyone
> happy - as our states are so diversified - so please share your input
> and thoughts - and I will compile the data.  Once we have heard from
> you - I will  share back so we can have some discussions on the best
> approach.
>
>
>
> I too look forward to conversations from different states.
>
>
>
> Laura :)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Laura Ergle
>
> Program Specialist, Family & Consumer Sciences,
>
> Culinary and Education
>
> Career, Technical and Agricultural Education
>
> Georgia Department of Education
>
> 1752 Twin Towers East, Atlanta GA 30334
>
> (404) 463-6406 phone (770) 344-4435 fax
>
> lergle at doe.k12.ga.us
>
> http://www.gadoe.org
>
> ________________________________
> From: nasafacs-bounces at lists.uen.org [nasafacs-bounces at lists.uen.org]
> on behalf of Peggy Wild [pwild at doe.in.gov]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 7:00 PM
> To: nasafacs at lists.uen.org
> Subject: [NASAFACS] FW: Family and Consumer Sciences
>
> Laura, and All,
>
> I just noticed that your message went to the old Listserv address, so
> I'm forwarding to the new (UEN) address.
>
> I'm glad to read that you've been able to get the attention of the
> NASDCTEc folks to discuss our place in the Cluster organization.  I
> hope we can have a lot of discussion about this idea on the ListServ
> leading up to the meeting so that we can go in with really strong
> consensus and a well-crafted rationale for whatever we end up
> proposing.
>
> I'll start the ball rolling by saying let's think and consider what
> would be gained and what might be lost by having just one cluster for
> F&CS.  Different states will have different perspectives on that, so
> maybe we want to hear from many states before we settle on endorsing
> one course of action.  With the model of 3 ways F&CS contributes to
> pathways (foundational for all students/all pathways; supporting
> content for multiple pathways; and preparation for F&CS careers),
> we've gained a lot of ground in my state.  Pulling out of that
> approach and supporting one cluster of F&CS pathways - might be
> losing ground instead of gaining.
>
> I hope others will share what is happening with their clusters,
> pathways, courses, etc.  Can't wait to follow the "conversations."
>
> Peggy
>
> Peggy Wild, PhD, CFCS, State Program Leader
> Family & Consumer Sciences, College & Career Pathways
> Center for College & Career Readiness
> Indiana Department of Education
> pwild at doe.in.gov<mailto:pwild at doe.in.gov>;
> 317.232.9169
>
> F&CS
> www.doe.in.gov/family<;http://www.doe.in.gov/achievement/career-education/family-and-consumer-sciences>
> Pathways
> www.doe.in.gov/pathways<;http://doe.in.gov/achievement/career-education/indiana-college-career-pathways>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: nasafacs-bounces at listserv.doe.state.in.us on behalf of Laura Ergle
> Sent: Sun 3/4/2012 10:27 AM
> To: Glover, Eleanor
> Cc: nasafacs at listserv.doe.state.in.us
> Subject: Re: [NASAFACS] Family and Consumer Sciences
>
>
> Hi Eleanor!
>
>
>
> Wonderful letter of support - and as a matter of fact - I have
> already planted this seed.
> A few months ago I asked for NASAFACS to be the Career Cluster Leader
> for Human Services.
>
> It took some weeks to get a response - and at this time with the
> revision of skills and knowledge,
>
> NASDCTE does not wish to name a cluster leader.
>
>
>
> Upon hearing that - I sent a letter to Dean Folkers and Kim Green
> advising the omission of FACS
>
> is hurting our programs across the nation. FACS is found in many
> clusters - but with the exception of personal care services - the
> other pathways in the Human Services cluster are FACS pathways. 
> Would there be a possibility of including FACS in the Human Services
> title - i.e. Family, Consumer and Human Services?  Then, if we could
> get recognition for cluster leader - perhaps we could add move some
> of the other FACS pathways - that might be in other clusters - to
> this cluster.
>
>
>
> I personally like the idea you proposed in your letter.
>
>
>
>
>
> Dean Folkers has just accepted our invitation to attend our NASAFACS
> meeting in May - Kim has a previous engagement, but will be available
> via virtual, if possible.  I hope at this meeting we can share the
> need for the FACS title to be included in some form or fashion.  I
> will be using the info I requested a few months back to compile some
> data - and will use Janis' research and anyone else's research they
> are willing to share.
>
>
>
> So - we will have a portion of the agenda dedicated to this topic. 
> It is going to be real important that we have an agenda and present
> this in a professional manner - and do not come across as a bunch of
> emotional women.
>
>
>
> So - anyone else that has data to share regarding the FACS programs
> in their states - please send to me.
>
>
>
> I do hope as many of you as possible will be able to attend the May
> Meeting - I think the recognition of FACS is foremost to sustaining
> our programs across the nation.
>
>
>
> Any other ideas or suggestions - please send to me.
>
>
>
> Many thanks,  Laura
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Laura Ergle
>
> Program Specialist, Family & Consumer Sciences,
>
> Culinary and Education
>
> Career, Technical and Agricultural Education
>
> Georgia Department of Education
>
> 1752 Twin Towers East, Atlanta GA 30334
>
> (404) 463-6406 phone (770) 344-4435 fax
>
> lergle at doe.k12.ga.us
>
> http://www.gadoe.org
>
> ________________________________
> From: Glover, Eleanor [EGlover at ed.sc.gov]
> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 3:10 PM
> To: Laura Ergle; grandel at ksde.org
> Subject: FW: Family and Consumer Sciences
>
> FYI; Planting a seed. Not sure we have made this request. I will let
> you know what the response is.
>
> Dr. Eleanor R. Abel Glover, Ed. Associate
> Office of Career and Technology Education
> South Carolina Department of Education
> 924 Rutledge Building
> 1429 Senate Street
> Columbia, SC 29201
> 803-734-3826 phone
> 803-734-3525 fax
> eglover at ed.sc.gov<mailto:eglover at ed.sc.gov>;
> http://www.ed.sc.gov<http://www.ed.sc.gov/>
>
>
> From: Glover, Eleanor
> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 3:06 PM
> To: 'kgreen at careertech.org'
> Subject: Family and Consumer Sciences
>
> Dear Ms. Green,
> I am sending this e-mail on behalf of Family and Consumer Sciences
> and our needs relative to the career clusters. My name is Dr. Eleanor
> Abel Glover and I am the Education Associate for Family and Consumer
> Sciences in the South Carolina Department of Education. I am a member
> of the National Association of State Administrators for Family and
> Consumer Sciences. Family and Consumer Sciences professionals have
> been seeking methods of developing a career cluster that reflects our
> profession. When the 16 career clusters are researched all of my
> colleagues' program areas are obvious based on the listings, such as
> Agriculture, Health Sciences, Business, etc. Because we are embedded
> in a number of clusters, the cluster concept has inadvertently
> diminished the importance of Family and Consumer Sciences.
>
> We as state administrators continue to seek ways to bring Family and
> Consumer Sciences to the forefront. A survey conducted by Janis Meeks
> (North Carolina) in 2008 displayed the career clusters and the number
> of states that aligned Family and Consumer Sciences courses with each
> cluster. Fourteen of the sixteen career clusters were aligned with
> Family and Consumer Sciences courses (see attachment). We have found
> that alignment with a number of different clusters  somewhat
> compromises the integrity of Family and Consumer Sciences and takes
> away from the possibility of establishing nationwide consistency for
> Family and Consumer Sciences.
>
> It would be most beneficial to us if the Family and Consumer Sciences
> Career Cluster would reflect our Sixteen Areas of study. We would
> also like the opportunity to focus on one career cluster. We would be
> willing to use the existing template and initiatives to develop the
> cluster to meet the same criteria as all other career clusters.  The
> sixteen areas are listed below.
>
> 1.0  Career, Community and Family Connections
> <http://nasafacs.org/uploads/3/0/0/4/3004417/ns4fcs-1-careercommunity.docx>
> 2.0 Consumer and Family Resources
> <http://nasafacs.org/uploads/3/0/0/4/3004417/ns4fcs-2-consumerresources.docx> 3.0 Consumer
> Services
> <http://nasafacs.org/uploads/3/0/0/4/3004417/ns4fcs-3-consumerservices.docx>
> 4.0 Education and Early Childhood
> <http://nasafacs.org/uploads/3/0/0/4/3004417/ns4fcs-4-educationearlychild.docx> 5.0 Facilities Management and
> Maintenance
> <http://nasafacs.org/uploads/3/0/0/4/3004417/ns4fcs-5-facilitiesmanagement.docx> 6.0
> Family
> <http://nasafacs.org/uploads/3/0/0/4/3004417/ns4fcs-6-family.docx>
> 7.0 Family and Community Services
> <http://nasafacs.org/uploads/3/0/0/4/3004417/ns4fcs-7-familycommunityservice.docx> 8.0 Food Production and
> Services
> <http://nasafacs.org/uploads/3/0/0/4/3004417/ns4fcs-8-foodproductionservice.docx> 9.0 Food Science, Dietetics and
> Nutrition
> <http://nasafacs.org/uploads/3/0/0/4/3004417/ns4fcs-9-foodsciencedietetics.docx>10.0 Hospitality, Tourism and
> Recreation
> <http://nasafacs.org/uploads/3/0/0/4/3004417/ns4fcs-10-hospitality.docx>11.0
> Housing and Interior Design
> <http://nasafacs.org/uploads/3/0/0/4/3004417/ns4fcs-11-interiordesign.docx>12.0 Human
> Development
> <http://nasafacs.org/uploads/3/0/0/4/3004417/ns4fcs-12-humandevelopment.docx>13.0 Interpersonal
> Relationships
> <http://nasafacs.org/uploads/3/0/0/4/3004417/ns4fcs-13-interpersonal.docx>14.0 Nutrition and
> Wellness
> <http://nasafacs.org/uploads/3/0/0/4/3004417/ns4fcs-14-nutrition.docx>15.0
> Parenting
> <http://nasafacs.org/uploads/3/0/0/4/3004417/ns4fcs-15-parenting.docx>16.0
> Textiles, Fashion and
> Apparel<http://nasafacs.org/uploads/3/0/0/4/3004417/ns4fcs-16-textilesfashion.docx>
>
> Would you be willing to work with us (FACS state administrators) to
> create a career cluster for Family and Consumer Sciences?  The
> creation of an additional career cluster would streamline some of the
> other clusters that are already in existence.
>
> Our annual conference is scheduled for May 6-9, 2012, in Atlanta, GA.
> If at all possible, I would like to be able to provide a report for
> other state administrators based on this request and your response.
> Please let me know if you would be willing to work with us to develop
> a Family and Consumer Sciences Career Cluster. I appreciate any
> consideration you give to this proposal. ERG
>
> Dr. Eleanor R. Abel Glover, Ed. Associate
> Office of Career and Technology Education
> South Carolina Department of Education
> 924 Rutledge Building
> 1429 Senate Street
> Columbia, SC 29201
> 803-734-3826 phone
> 803-734-3525 fax
> eglover at ed.sc.gov<mailto:eglover at ed.sc.gov>;
> http://www.ed.sc.gov<http://www.ed.sc.gov/>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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