[Library Media] Library girl - this guy's perspective

Bill Goodrich bgoodrich at dcsd.org
Fri Dec 20 12:44:01 MST 2013

Thanks for your input.  That was the point I was just going to make.  Dewey
may not be LC but at least it is systematic and is a good introduction to a
more complicated system.


On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 12:39 PM, JaNae Kinikin <jkinikin at weber.edu> wrote:

> From an academic librarian's perspective, I ask that you continue teaching
> Dewey.  Most college and university libraries use the Library of Congress
> Classification System and knowing one number system helps students transfer
> to a different system.  If interested, please take a look at the call
> numbers lesson found in the HeLIOS tutorial http://helios.weber.edu.
> JaNae
> On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 12:23 PM, KENDALL CRITTENDEN <
> KENDALL.CRITTENDEN at wasatch.edu> wrote:
>>  I agree with those who have commented that we shouldn't throw Dewey
>> away. As has been stated by many posts, we jump around too quickly in
>> education and follow every new bandwagon that comes along.
>> As I teach my students, Melville Dewey was a genus. His idea in 1876 is
>> just a solid today as it was then. His system works as well today as it did
>> then, even with all of the new topics and subjects that we have added since
>> then.
>>  I like the ideas suggested by some that books could have a separate
>> genre label put on them, if you have time to do that it would be a great
>> idea.
>> One of the main things I remember from the library media classes I took
>> many years ago was that we catalog books in our libraries where the
>> patrons, our students, are most likely to find them. I do that, or try to,
>> to this day. I don't always follow the rules of Dewey as I catalog books,
>> nor do the rest of you. We put books where students can best find them.
>> But, in my opinion, that is by following the Dewey system. We need to teach
>> it to our students.
>> LuAnne might remember this, as we took classes together. We were taking
>> classes out of Logan, sitting in the UVU library. My sixth grade daughter
>> attended classes with me, so that I didn't have to drive home alone late at
>> night. The teacher was speaking about a certain book and LuAnne turned to
>> my daughter and said, "Patricia, go find that book for us." Patricia, a
>> sixth grader, got up and went out into that big college library. She was
>> gone for 20 mins. or so, but she came back with the book. I don't know who
>> had taught her the Dewey system, but she understood it well enough to find
>> the book.
>> Let's teach our students how to use a library and the Dewey system. It is
>> a life skill that will assist them into the future.
>> Kendall Crittenden
>> "There are so many wonderful things in life to be afraid of, if you just
>> learn how scary they are."
>> From *The Tale of Despereaux* movie
>> from the desk of:
>> Kendall D. Crittenden
>> Library / Media Specialist
>> Timpanogos Intermediate School
>> 200 East 800 South
>> Heber City, Utah 84032
>> (435) 654-0550
>> kendall.crittenden at wasatch.edu
>> home e-mail: kdcritt at msn.com
>> >>> Luanne Olson_media <olson at alpinedistrict.org> 12/20/2013 7:52 AM >>>
>>  It is essential that we maintain the focus of our purpose in the
>> library. We are teaching skills to educate students to be life long
>> learners. The skills they learn transfer to life--other libraries and
>> learning environments. Elementary and secondary students are learning basic
>> research and information skills. They are emerging readers. Don't confuse
>> them with "specialty" collection trends. Assist them to identify and locate
>> what they need. A library collection becomes fragmented with "pull-out"
>> sections. It is my experience that a well maintained and organized library
>> collection is the best for students.
>> On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 6:45 AM, Bill Goodrich <bgoodrich at dcsd.org>wrote:
>>> We need to do what is best for the kids. What does abandoning Dewey do
>>> for kids that are going to college? Do we leave Dewey just to creat
>>> temporary momentum and excitement? If we shelf by genre do kids get in a
>>> rut and never experience anything new?
>>> In popular culture there is so much of jumping on every band wagon that
>>> comes by that we don't stop to consider the wisdom of those that have been
>>> on the trail for centuries. I may just wait to see if this trend is still
>>> popular in a year or two.
>>> On Thursday, December 19, 2013, Emily Davenport_fms wrote:
>>>>  There is so much crossover these days I can't imagine trying to
>>>> shelve fiction by genre.
>>>> On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Heather Tomlinson <
>>>> htomlinson at mountainvilleacademy.org> wrote:
>>>>  I agree - Dewey is much too useful to abandon...
>>>> However - I'm with James Wilson (previous message thread) who asked if
>>>> any of you have decided to organize fiction by genre. How did it go? Are
>>>> you glad you did it? Any pointers for anyone else considering it?
>>>> I'm in a K-9 school, and have divided the library into two sections.
>>>> One for everyone (K-9, but focused on K-2) and one for 3-9 only. I think
>>>> genre shelving could be VERY useful for the older fiction section. BUT,
>>>> then I think about logistics: multi genre books? labeling books (in the
>>>> catalog and on the spine)? library volunteers who already struggle with two
>>>> fiction sections (even adults...)?
>>>>  On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Joseph Nielsen <
>>>> Joseph.Nielsen at slcschools.org> wrote:
>>>>   It is entirely possible that the posting of this article came at a
>>>> bad time for people to respond. I know I am having brain overload and
>>>> working on mega doses of caffeine right now. (Ever tried putting a chunk of
>>>> baking cocoa on your mouth and using Jolt Cola to slowly melt it? That will
>>>> make you wired higher than Calvin & Hobbes.) So don’t get too bent out of
>>>> shape when the replies slowly trickle in.
>>>>  And I agree with Marianne Bates, if your Principal doesn’t have a
>>>> clue about what you do, you have no one to blame but yourself (unless your
>>>> administrator is just totally clueless).
>>>>  But I’m not so sure that I see huge value in abandoning Dewey. Having
>>>> worked in one of Utah’s largest independent retail bookstores for 8 years
>>>> before becoming a librarian, I can tell you that genres are very arbitrary,
>>>> can be very difficult to assign, and sometimes so large as to be
>>>> overwhelming. Take, for instance, one of my favorite books to read to 5
>>>> th graders who are studying American History, “Mountain Man, the story
>>>> of Hugh Glass.” It is written as fiction, but his experience and all the
>>>> principle events described in the book are firmly established as historical
>>>> facts. It’s the details that were created to tell the story. So do you
>>>> classify it as Historical, Biographical, or Western? Do you use Explorers,
>>>> Mountain Men, or US History? And since it does tell the story of an
>>>> historical event – do you perhaps even put it in Non-fiction, as I have
>>>> seen some catalogs do? Any one of those classifications could be
>>>> overwhelming in size.
>>>>  The whole idea of Dewey is to be genre oriented, Mammals have their
>>>> place, Weather has its place, Fairy tales, and Myths are separated between
>>>> the 200’s and the 300’s. If you are worried about whether a book is in the
>>>> right place you can decide for yourself how you want to align the
>>>> classification of Dewey to fit your library and your readers. There is no
>>>> governing body that is going to come to your library and condemn, or down
>>>> grade it just because you chose to put the book about the movie Dinosaur
>>>> under 781 instead of 567 where the CIP put it. Make your own choices and
>>>> decide these things for yourself.
>>>>  And all this comes with the added bonus of helping students learn to
>>>> use decimals.
>>>> Emily Davenport
>>>> Teacher Librarian
>>>> Frontier Middle School
>>>> 801-610-8777 x759
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>>> Bill Goodrich
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>>> Union High School
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Bill Goodrich
Library Teacher - XC Coach - Assistant Soccer Coach
Union High School
135 N Union St.
Roosevelt, UT 84066
(435) 725-4548
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